Iurie Roșca
Hello dear friends, hello dear followers of Chișinău forum activities, I would like to remind you that Chișinău forum is an international think tank which brings together many leading intellectuals from different countries and we are engaged in this struggle, metapolitical struggle, against globalist technocratic tyranny. And today we have a great pleasure to talk directly to Dr. Meryl Nass, Meryl Nass from United States, of course many of us know you, not personally, but your activities but for our audience from different countries, I would like to ask you to start our dialogue before we'll discuss in details about WHO and this so-called pandemic treaty and globalist agenda, tell us a little bit about yourself and what price someone like you must pay for telling the truth? Meryl Nass
Well, I am 62 years old, I am an internal medicine physician, Iurie Roșca
the same myself, 62. Meryl Nass
So yes, I feel like I've got my youth back to do this work because it's the older people who really understand what the risk is because we've lived through things that the younger generations haven't. So anyway, I'm a doctor, I practiced medicine but when I was in my late 30s, I went to a meeting about for physicians for social responsibility and I got assigned a job to look at the research of a professor at the University of Massachusetts which is where I lived and I actually was a part-time teacher at the University of Massachusetts in medicine and that contract was about, was titled projects for making a better anthrax vaccine but it was actually nothing about vaccines, it was all about very primitive genetic engineering of anthrax and this was the late 80s. I thought this was very curious and another organization felt that way as well and we started looking for information on this, sending FOIA, Freedom of Information Act requests and I read a great deal about the United States biological defense program and I learned a great deal about anthrax and I found that we were exceeding the limits of what we were legally allowed to do in terms of research as well as I identified the world's largest anthrax outbreak as an act of biological warfare and I proved that in 1992. I then became a spokesperson on chemical and biological warfare for people during the Gulf War, I became involved in trying to get rid of the anthrax vaccine and a group that I worked with actually got the license revoked for a period of time and this is around 2004 and then the FDA rubber stamped the license after about 18 months. So I became very familiar with the regulation of vaccines as a result and then I started learning about all the other vaccines for the last 25 years and I've become an expert on vaccines as well and pandemics and biological warfare. So when COVID started I did a lot of research and writing about it, identified it as probably a lab leak in March of 2020 and told people what to do to protect themselves but then I realized the US government and other governments were not behaving appropriately and then I guess I learned pretty quickly that they were trying to suppress hydroxychloroquine and I felt like I had a personal responsibility to make that clear to people because I had taken the drug myself, I had been in Africa for six months at one point, I had given it to many patients for Lyme disease as well as for rheumatoid conditions and I had a background in pandemics and biological warfare so I thought that it was really important that people understand what the actual laws were and how the suppression was taking place and I started in May of 2020 collecting about 25 ways the drug was being suppressed and I continued adding to the list for about a year and I got up to 57 or 58 different ways hydroxychloroquine was being suppressed around the world, differently in different states of the US, at the federal level, at the level of manufacturers, distributors, drug stores, all kinds of ways, even the blowing up of the world's second largest active pharmaceutical ingredient manufacturer of hydroxychloroquine. Iurie Roșca
You know, I followed very closely all speeches and articles of Dr. Zelenko who unfortunately passed away and Dr. Rashid Butar who also passed away in a strange way, I would like to say about Dr. Butar and it is for us, for post-Soviet, post-communist countries very strange to see, to discover four years ago during this COVID-19 pandemic that US, the leading country of democracy and the liberal values became so quickly a totalitarian state with state terrorism and the suppression of free speech and the suppression of rights of medical doctors to practice their profession. How can we understand it from this side of the world? Meryl Nass
Well, I think we have a constitution and we have laws and the government has been transgressing both for a long time, gradually, and it became much worse. The attack on free speech really started right after Trump was elected and also there have been tremendous donations to media companies by Soros's group or buying them. Soros's people have bought radio stations, for example, to newspapers, to TV stations, to all sorts of media and the government has also paid them off. And so we have no free media except the alternative media now in the United States. And if you confine yourself to the mainstream media, you will have a completely different view of the world than I do. Iurie Roșca
Yeah, unfortunately, not so many people are following alternative media, maybe more than four years ago. But anyhow, mainstream media remains a very important tool of domination and a weapon of mass destruction, not only in the US but here too. Tell us please about your international activities. We know that during the last period of time you traveled a lot and you had many, many meetings with members of parliaments, politicians, civic activists, journalists and so on and so forth. What is your impression? How ready is these kinds of people, let's say elites or intellectuals or people who are more motivated than average persons, to respond, to react, to resist, to explain to others what happens really at the international level? Meryl Nass
Well, I think most of the people I've met internationally have already understood that there's a problem with the sustainable development goals, the great reset, the World Economic Forum, etc. So my problem was relatively small, which was simply introducing them to the documents that the WHO has issued and wants to have approved in May. Because what is in those documents is so completely different from any treaty that anyone has ever signed up to before. People can't believe it unless you actually put the documents in front of them. And so, you know, I realized about a year ago that people just did not, you know, who reads drafts of treaties? Nobody. Yeah, it's boring and it's legal, it's legalese. So they can't understand it. Furthermore, unless you have a background like me in biological warfare, you won't understand the context. So you'll miss a lot of it. So I felt like I had a, you know, I had a personal stake in it, because basically, in our country, the intellectual classes are basically aligned with the government. And so the professors that you would expect, law professors or biology professors, to actually pay attention and analyze these documents and provide that information to the public, they have been asleep at the switch. They have done nothing. And so I had to actually found an organization to build a website, to put the documents up on one website, to create our own analyses, to collect good analyses from other people, to add videos and clips to try and try to gather documents that will reach people at any level from a 12 year old child on up. So, so that's what we've done. And so you can you can go to the https://doortofreedom.org. Iurie Roșca
Tell us more about your your media platform, because I followed it, of course, but it would be very useful for us to understand better how to use this instrument of information. And I like very much your your slogan, which is exactly like the title book of our friend, Jacob Nordangård, from Sweden. The WHO is bringing about a world coup, and Jacob said in the title, a global coup d'état. Yes, this permanent state of emergency needs to be understand for many people, because people have the illusion that scandemic COVID-19 is behind us, and now we can be relaxed and so on. That's why I would like to ask you to to explain in more detailed elements, this specific document, pandemic treaty, which sounds so good, which is about our health and about our happiness. Meryl Nass
So it isn't the easiest website to navigate, unfortunately, because we've thrown… I've had a very small staff, we started with just volunteers. Now we have some paid staff, but we've been throwing things up on it. So we have a collection of a 30 or 40 articles that talk about all aspects of the Great Reset. And we call them two minute reads. We tried to make them 500 to 1000 words to educate anyone about simple facts about what what those aspects are. And then we have other articles that can be academic articles or even detailed reports. So we have academic reports on the WHO. And then the pandemic treaty has had about six drafts. So we have a copy of every draft. So for those people who, because it's hard to find these things on the WHO website, very difficult. So we've got all the drafts, we have the drafts of the amendments to the International Health Regulations, we have information from the UN because the UN has supported this and they came out with their own declaration. Anyway, we have these documents, those are relatively easy to find. Then we've tried to create a place where activities, actions in different countries can be found. And then we have some we have some of my PowerPoints, but not all not most of them. We have a poster we made to explain the legal pathway by which sovereignty can be taken away in the United States, because many people, including many lawyers, don't believe it's possible. They think the Constitution protects us. And yet there are some there are at least three UN, not UN, sorry, Supreme Court decisions that gave authority to treaties above US law. Iurie Roșca
Like in our case, but in our case, it's unfortunate, excuse me for interrupting you. This norm is part of our Constitution. International treaties are superior to national laws, legislations, unfortunately, everywhere in the next communist area, except Russia. During the last period of time, Russians changed this provision of Constitution. Two years or three years ago. Meryl Nass
That was smart, because it seems that a lot of this has been planned for decades, maybe five decades or more. When you look at the structure of the WHO Constitution, you know, it has interesting things in it. There's no way to get out of the W.H.O. The W.H.O. Constitution does not offer countries a way to leave the W.H.O. It tells you how to enter. Iurie Roșca
This was my question and my preoccupation during the last four years when this special operation started, this pandemic and so on. Why? No one except some African leaders who passed away quickly during 2020 and 2021, and the Haitian president, Jovenel Moise. And after that, all others are like soldiers, total solidarity, total obedience. And it sounds initially very strange, Trump or Biden. The same story. Or this permanent conflict between collective West and the BRICS, collective West - Russia, collective West - China. But finally, they are doing the same thing. They are following the same rules. They have, in my opinion, the same masters. They are under the same so-called global governance. Why nobody is trying to escape somehow, to abandon these international institutions. We have to find is it only about stupidity, the mediocrity of political leaders, or which kind of instruments and control are used to maintain this more or less strange solidarity. Meryl Nass
Well, I mean, we've learned since this all started that a lot of it is, you know, blackmail using child abuse in the US. And it's likely similar in Europe, in Western Europe. I don't know what it's like elsewhere. But certainly the masters of the universe have found ways to do it, obviously, because we see it in front of our eyes. You know, so many countries marched in lockstep to prevent the use of hydroxychloroquine, the one drug that we knew worked at the beginning of the pandemic, and then to prevent ivermectin. And that was planned ahead of time. So that you know, because in France, they started the process just to make hydroxychloroquine no longer available over the counter without a prescription in October of 2019. And Bill Gates bought $50 million worth of BioNTech stock in September of 2019. So, I mean, putting the evidence together, my guess is that the pandemic was actually released rather than a lab leak. But I can't rule out a lab leak. Iurie Roșca
Anyhow, we have to understand because before COVID-19 pandemic, not so many of us were preoccupied, were concentrated on this in our view, previous view, not so important international body, WHO. What it means. And now we discovered how powerful is this institution. Meryl Nass
Or how powerful it could be. It isn't really yet. Iurie Roșca
Maybe we are not so strong enough to fight back, to resist, to react, to be much more clever than we used to be during last period of time. In our region, you know, maybe it is not surprising. We are a small piece of land here in Republic of Moldova. We are between geopolitically between Russia and the collective West. And our political establishment and the so-called mass media are divided in two parts, equal parts, pro-Russians and pro-Western, pro-West. But the problem is that when started this pandemic COVID-19, Putin's team and the Trump team and the European Union bureaucrats did the same kind of actions. Meryl Nass
But he didn't use the messenger RNA vaccines. Iurie Roșca
Who? Meryl Nass
Putin. Iurie Roșca
No, no, the same story. It is a myth in the Western alternative mainstream media that in Russia or China or other countries, which are not formally subordinated to collective West, vaccine was not so poisoned and violent. And this is another one. No, it is the same story, but you cannot discover it, but because in Russia, lack of elementary democratic freedoms is much more worse than in the United States. All medical doctors, some of them passed away, all civic activists were terrorized. And official narrative is totally under globalist control. Despite of this rhetoric and the war in Ukraine and so on, when we're talking about UN, about WHO and other international globalist institutions, Russian administration is totally, totally obedient. Mr. Putin became the most important representative of Big Pharma because he insisted many times, I did it. I received the shots and I am so happy and my daughters are so happy and you have to do it. And they constrain people from army, people from state bodies, from medical institutions, from educational institutions, like in Romania, like everywhere. Meryl Nass
But you had this Sputnik vaccine, no? Iurie Roșca
The Sputnik vaccine is the imitation of vaccines of Big Pharma industry. Just a label. All other stories is part of this false narrative about false dichotomies. With whom you are, you love Xi Jinping or Biden, you love Putin. Some other bureaucrats, no.I don't like any of them. And in my view, this special operation, which is named Great Reset and Technocracy Offensive and this aggression against humanity, is so successful because globalist elites succeed to maintain this conflictual narratives, dominant narratives. And we are captured, we are seduced by one player or by another player. And we have the illusion that Trump will protect us, no, Putin will protect us, or maybe some others will protect us. And we are not so active because we hope maybe some others will solve our problems.
Meryl Nass
People don't recognize that they have power. They've been trained in this country, you know, not to think of themselves as being able to influence. Right? I mean, they, you know, when Congress does these terrible things, they do it in our face. You know, they spit in our face, basically. They're telling us, you know, you might want this, but, you know, we do the bidding of pharma or we do the bidding of, you know, big weapons companies and things like that. You know, it doesn't matter if 80 or 90% of the public doesn't want this, we're still going to vote for it. And so people don't see a way in. I didn't see a way in either. I mean, I've been actively trying to tell people truthful things for 35 years or longer. You know, it's only by chance, really, that people paid attention to what I was saying, because they couldn't find the information elsewhere. And so I got a bigger megaphone. Iurie Roșca
You know, I watched this interview with very famous journalist, anti-system journalist, James Corbett, with you, and you mentioned exactly four types of actions which could be done by people who are part of this international so-called resistance. Could it be so kind to explain how it works, how we have to use these instruments, petitions, legislative actions, legal actions, anti-political actions? If you can elaborate a little bit on those matters. Meryl Nass
So, you know, my thinking on all of this continues to evolve. I've had meetings with international lawyers, I've hired a couple of lawyers, international lawyers, and I've concluded that there is no point in trying to legally attack the WHO for its many violations of its own rules and regulations, because there is no court that has jurisdiction over the WHO, and essentially all the employees and all the diplomats have a form of diplomatic immunity. We can't go after the individuals or the institutions directly, but what we can do is show people what is in these actual proposed treaties that is going to take away their freedoms, that's going to cost them a lot of money, that is going to force untested drugs and vaccines on them, and probably bring about more pandemics. So, now in most of the talks that I give, I use screenshots from the actual treaty document and the amendments to the health regulations and show people this is their words and this is what it means, and that seems to be quite effective. So, every time I give one of these talks, people are convinced. So, what can we do if we can't attack them legally and if all our governments are basically owned by a globalist cabal, what is left? Well, okay, first thing is that there are many minority parties in Europe and elsewhere, like New Zealand, for example, that understand what's going on, but they don't have many members, but they are now the populist parties. So, they are likely to get more votes in the next election. Now, what we're afraid of, of course, is our elections aren't free, our electronic elections are fixed. Right, that's a huge problem and we have to change it so that we have paper ballots, they stay in one place, we have a video camera on them constantly and so on. But these two proposed treaties are so terrible, there's nothing in them, there's no goodies for anyone. I mean, there are probably for the people at the WHO, for the World Bank, you know, for the globalist organizations, there is lots of money, but for everybody else, for the people on the planet, there is nothing good. So, nothing that they suggest is new, better than what we, you know, they want more of this, more lockdowns, more vaccine passports, more limitations on our freedom. So, when people look at it, they don't want it. It's like, why didn't somebody look at what happened during this recent pandemic and figure out what went wrong and figure out how to do it right? There's none of that in these documents, there's just more of the same, except things that were done without laws to justify them, such as, you know, our lack of free speech, criminalizing free speech, that will now be embedded into the law of every nation. So, the WHO treaty, the last few drafts, require nations to pass laws so that they can surveil all their citizens' social media and other communications, essentially all communications, and censor them if they disagree with the WHO's public health narrative. It also expands the authority of the WHO so that it can give orders on more than just health. So, they have this concept called One Health Approach, which means that the health of humans isn't all that we're worried about, but we're worried about the health of animals, plants, and ecosystems. And if there are any challenges to those things, well, the Director General can declare, you know, a public health emergency for that. So, he can declare a climate emergency, he can declare a gun violence emergency, he can declare a pollution emergency, anything. Well, the UN is trying to declare the cyber emergencies, by the way. So, anyway, there's nothing good. So, but when people come to understand, they're all against it. Now, in the United States, in our Constitution, we have something called the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution, which says that if this particular authority was not specified as belonging to the federal government, it reverts to the states or to the people. Health care and education are not mentioned in the Constitution. Health care is, by law, an authority of the states, not the federal government. And so, we are suggesting that the states manage health care. They are the only ones allowed to manage health care, according to the Constitution. And therefore, the federal, they're not giving it to the federal government. The federal government can't give to the WHO what it doesn't have. So, we are making that argument, and we feel like it's a powerful one. It may need to go through the courts, but it's not going to go through any courts between now and May. Between now and May, it will be an argument that will garner publicity and will garner great interest. So, we have that, and that is my current focus. Now, in Europe, everybody has a different constitution. So, unfortunately or fortunately, each nation needs to address what their constitution allows. I have not studied them, but I have been told that in Netherlands, you need two different sitting parliaments to approve any transfer of sovereignty. And so, it's very, very difficult to get the correct parliamentary approval. Iurie Roșca
Yeah, but they are repeating, they could repeat in this pandemic treaty measures which were applied during the COVID-19 pandemic, when everywhere was declared state of emergency and constitutions were frozen, were suspended everywhere. Here in Moldova, in the US, in Canada, in Australia, in Russia, everywhere. And we cannot use these legal instruments under this kind of dictatorship with medical excuses. Meryl Nass
Exactly. So, some of our states have gotten into the act and said, you can't just declare an emergency and have it go on and on. In Pennsylvania, I think after three or four weeks, the legislature has to approve that there really is an emergency. So, the governor has one month in Pennsylvania. There are other things …, you're absolutely right, the emergency laws and rules and regulations are a huge problem. They have to be uprooted and members of the governments need to figure out where they are, because as you know, parliamentarians are in a short time. They don't have enough institutional memory. They don't know what laws were passed 20 years ago. These things are sitting on the books waiting for somebody to pull the trigger, and so we have to find them, get rid of them, or write a new law that just says no more emergency laws and do it that way. But it's a huge issue. We also have to think about control of the media. I mean, we used to have laws, antitrust laws, and other laws that you could not have a great consolidation of the media, especially in one area, and yet this has been allowed. So, again, the problem in our country is that it's really expensive to bring legal cases. It can easily cost a million dollars to bring a legal case. So, basically, nobody has the price of admission. So, there are a few NGOs. My case, for example, is costing half a million dollars, and it's just a simple administrative procedure. It's not even going to a court. It's just going to a medical board. My lawyer charges $405 an hour, and that's not even high. That's just sort of average. So, if I didn't have Children's Health Defense helping to pay my legal fees, I couldn't mount a case. And so, that's how they stop all of this over here. Iurie Roșca
How to make people more aware about the instruments which are destroying totally our national sovereignty and the very possible pandemic treaty, because we are talking about it, but politicians, members of parliament, who are most of them very young during last decades, and not so good. Maybe they are well-educated as professionals, but they have not any personal experience and understanding, deep understanding of these traps, international traps. They are so respectful when we are talking about UN, about EU, about WHO, how they can violate our rights. It's impossible. They are our gods. This kind of obedience and admiration. Meryl Nass
This is why I say these things have been planned for a long time, because they have been changing the education here in the US my whole life. I've seen this whole education system been consistently degraded, worse and worse and worse all the time, and the public discourse gets worse and worse. The WHO constitution, as I said, went into force 77 years ago. And so, I think they were planning this then. Iurie Roșca
Yeah, not so many people know the origins of this WHO, how it appears, who inspired it, and who was behind, who were the real players who invented this international body, which is somehow under UN authority. Meryl Nass
Let me get back to your earlier question, though, about what do we do. So, I think it's relatively easy to embarrass them. They lie about what's in the documents. They make you think it's for one thing, and it isn't. It's a document to give more money to pharma, more money to the World Bank, more money to the WHO, and basically the ability to lock us down and restrict our freedoms at will with no standards. The declarations of a public health emergency can be made for a potential emergency and can extend beyond the emergency. That's in the regulations. And in the treaty, the treaty is in force all the time, 24-7, without any declaration. So, the restrictions on us will be basically in force all the time, whether or not there is a pandemic. Iurie Roșca
We can understand that if bureaucrats from WHO will decide to declare some measures, extraordinary measures, or a new pandemic, national authorities must subordinate themselves without any discussion, without any approval. Meryl Nass
That is what is desired, yes. Now, it hasn't passed yet, but that is the plan. There will be no ability for national governments to decide. In fact, the EU is claiming competency in health that it has not previously had. So, the EU wants to be the decider for its 27 member nations and then turn that authority over to the WHO. Again, even though the EU is not a party, is not a member of the WHO, is not a party to the treaty, is not a party to the international health regulations, but still suddenly it wants to become a party. And those legal measures are being put into place as we speak. And the EU also is lying to people about what's really going on. So, you can find lots of clips of Tedros, for example, saying, we're not going to be a party. We're just bringing nations together. This is a nation-led effort. But then you look, who funds the WHO? It's 85% funded by donors. Who are the donors? Bill and Melinda Gates, World Bank. I pulled a document which was WHO's plan of work for the next four years from 2025 to 2028. And they point out in the very beginning that they allow in their stakeholders to help determine their plan of work. And that includes Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, GAVI, World Bank, UN agencies, philanthropic organizations, youth organizations. I mean, but not us, not us. Well, they have a few nations in there too. But I think the WHO dances to the tune of its donors. Iurie Roșca
In your view, which kind of motivation is the most important for this kind of projects, strategies, intentions, if you want? Because some of us are thinking that it is about greed, big pharma, a lot of money, obsession with absolute power, total domination. Or maybe we have to think about some spiritual causes, some spiritual motivations which are above all visible obsessions or dreams or desires. Meryl Nass
I'm not particularly comfortable talking about that because I'm, you know, being a scientist, I'm used to having facts that I can put my finger on. What I do, what I'm happy to say is that over the last few years, as I've become active to try to turn this COVID mess around and concluded that really we're looking at attempts to gain global governance. That's what is wanted, a one world government. And many of the documents that come from the World Bank, that come from the G20, the G7, the EU, the US, they mention global governance. You know, it's there, it's right there in front of our own. Iurie Roșca
We have to remind our audience that the same formulations, absolutely the same formulation, we can find in all official documents of BRICS countries, global governance, consolidation of the role of UN, consolidation of role of WHO, World Bank, IMF, all this stuff, scandemic narrative, global warming narrative, green agenda, even gender ideology inside of basic documents of BRICS, just to know, just to know that they are everywhere. They are playing all, they are in all sides of, they are very successful gamers, players, let's say, players, excuse me. And that's why it is difficult to find somebody from important political hierarchies who is able to contradict dominant narrative, which is which penetrated everywhere, in every single country. In my country, we have many people who are agree with me and will follow the same line of thinking and criticism, but we have not any public expression, only alternative media. And no one from political establishment, no one, no one in parliament, in government, in small, big, huge parties cannot understand them, cannot react. They do not are necessarily liars and so on. They do not understand this kind of problems, problematic. This is the problem, not because they are not good people, do not have good intentions. They just do not understand this kind of agenda. Meryl Nass
Yeah, I totally agree with you. I think here they don't understand either. Where we may have a leg up on you is that an organization CPAC, which is Conservative Political Action Coalition, does understand their national meeting just two weeks ago, which I attended was their theme was where globalism goes to die. So they, the conservative Republicans have started to understand this, and we are working with them. And we think, you know, the United States is sort of unique compared to Europe in this way, although Eastern and Central Europe may have more parties that are like our conservative Republicans, but the Western European governments don't. And I think this is obviously where our stronghold is going to be in the United States. And it's clear that governments have been trying to take away people's guns, for example, for a long time. And so gun clubs or gun organizations, gun owners have often have a sense about this. And that's you. So you start with people who already understand part of the puzzle, and you try to bring them along to the puzzle, and you try to bring them along to the rest. What I'm trying to do here is we have only until May to fight these documents at the WHO. So I'm focused on the WHO, but I've included articles, but they're hard, you know, you have to look for them on my website, about the rest of the Great Reset, because people need to understand that the WHO is their easiest way into global governance. They don't have to fire a shot, right? They can already gain tremendous power. It'll take one more year for the new regulations to come into force. And then at that point, they can start issuing the orders. They can start with health, but then they can move on to guns, then they can move on to other things. And before you know it, the trap has shut, I would say within two years, we could all be basically living in a slave society, if they get their way. If that doesn't work, they will try something else, which is why it's so important to educate people about the fact that this really is about global governance. It's about democracy and freedom versus total lack of those things. You know, that's why 15 minute cities are basically a concentration camp. This is the idea, you won't be allowed out. And, you know, it sounds nice, you can get to everything you need by walking or on a bicycle in 15 minutes. But think about it, you know, you might want to get some fresh air, and you may not be able to. Iurie Roșca
Yeah, we have to explain somehow to our followers, our audience, that this new type of totalitarian system, technocracy, is very effective and we cannot escape from it. For us from ex-communist region, area, it is easier to understand because we used to be under totalitarian system. But in that period of time, we had the chance to escape somehow maybe in the western part of the world, in the US or Europe or other parts of the world. Now, this totalitarian system is... No escape, but a global universal world. Meryl Nass
No escape. Yeah, even if you're a multimillionaire, you can't buy a house in the right place where you'll escape. Yeah, that's exactly right. But this is also in a way good for us, because people with power will realize they can't escape either. Iurie Roșca
Yeah, you are right. I thought about it that maybe in one critical moment, some of very powerful financially, economically people will understand that these kind of strategies are against them too. These kind of agendas are against all of us, except these groups of globalist elites. And maybe we have to talk not only about our reaction with wake up, wake up, great awakening and so on. Maybe one day great uprising. Not only great awakening. Before awakening, we need to act. If they are not allowing us to to act legally, we have to do something. We are not suiciders. We have to survive and we have our responsibility and our dignity and our sense of honour and our children, our grandchildren. We cannot just remain passive and say, that's it, I cannot do anything else. I send a petition, I send an email, I participate in the street protests and that's it. Anyhow, I suppose that one day this negative energy, if you like, this social uprising can disturb all these very carefully organized ideologies and strategies and steps and so on. Because in my view, during the last four years, we have much more people who understand the real state of affairs. Not the largest part of the population, but much more people than four years ago. And it is not nothing. Meryl Nass
No, I didn't think people were trying to take over the world four years ago. I mean, it takes a lot to convince me of anything. In fact, I'm very interested in getting information from you on where those BRICS documents can be found, because I want to have a look at them. Iurie Roșca
Yeah, it is official. I published three articles one by one during this last BRICS summit in Johannesburg. And I concentrated myself on all official documents and I was shocked. I was shocked, really, because I compared this long, long exposition text, official readings and so on. They are totally copy-paste with the UN Agenda 2030, with WHO, with WEF Agenda, and so on and so forth. Totally, perfectly. The only difference is so-called concurrence or conflict, or maybe real economic conflict, between the US and its satellites and China and Russia and others. But do not forget who invented BRICS? Goldman Sachs. Goldman Sachs company, transnational company from the US. Personally, the author of this project was Jim O'Neill. His name is Jim O'Neill, chief economist in that period of time, in 2003. And if we are looking at this project, which means at the same time digital money, cashless society, it is part of their project. They finished with petrodollars. They must jump in another paradigm, in another level of enslavement. Capitalistic instruments don't work anymore because they conquered the world. Now they need total digitalization. And it is very funny to follow this enthusiastic alternative narrative about BRICS champions of resistance and so on. And dollar will be destroyed in several months or years, I don't know. And when I am asking, guys, tell me please, after dollar, what will follow after dollar domination, national currencies or digital CBDC currencies at international level? I don't think that US domination and dollar domination and this plutocratic way of organizing the world economy is good for us. No, for nations, no. But next step will be worse than dollarization of world economy. CBDC is much more worse than dollar system. This is the problem. And if we are talking about global governance and global institutions, not so many people are discussing or are concerned about and even know about this very special bank, Bank of International Settlements, BIS, Bank of International Settlements is ruling all national banks all over the world. And it means that we have now global governance. We have now one center of power which rules everything. Not everything, everything that is important for them. Global governance is… we can talk about geopolitical reality because if we are maintaining our illusions which were available maybe 100 years ago or maybe 30 years ago about multipolarity, about sea power and land power and all this stuff, the classical geopolitics. It is very exciting to discuss about it, but the new technologies and digitalization and the speed of technological development destroyed any dividing line between sea power and the land power, between Russia and U.S. And yes, conflicts are real but they are secondary in comparison with common agenda in my view.Excuse me, I don't have this intention to have so long intervention.
Meryl Nass
No, no, it helps me. I mean, makes me feel good. Okay, someone who's read completely different documents has come to the same conclusion. Iurie Roșca
One more question if we have a little time for it, Dr. Meryl Nass, tell us please in your view why they are elaborating this document during two years because if I am correct, they started this initiative two years ago. Why they are not moving quicker in order to adopt this very important document for them? Meryl Nass
Yeah, you know, I'm no expert on treaties and I'm not a legal expert but it seems that this is actually very quick for the negotiation of treaties, especially something as complex and really novel as this and so two years isn't even enough and everybody's complaining that they don't have enough time and they can't come to agreement but we don't know if they'll come to agreement or not because it depends how much they are bribed or threatened. You know, that's how they come to agreement so we know that already. I think the speed is critical because they have to do this before people wake up so they can't afford to delay it any longer. So the treaty for instance, according to its last, the last version which came out on February 14, it will take you only one month from when you sign up to the treaty, one month to get in. It will be active in force for your nation in one month but it will take you either two years or three years at a minimum to get out, which makes me think they think they can snap the trap shut within those two years. In the last version before that it was going to take a minimum of three years and you had a little longer before you got in. You had to have 40 countries before you got in but now one country is enough, you're in. The amendments are only going to take 12 months, they'll take 12 months to come into force but they were going, before the U.S. amendments of 2022, it would have taken two years for any amendments to the regulations to come into force so they halved the period of time. So the fact that both of these documents are coming or strong attempts were made to get these documents to come into force as quickly as possible is telling me that they are desperate for speed. They also used to be, you had 18 months to get out of the regulations to issue a rejection or reservation after. So the regulations, the way that works is if 50 percent of the nations vote in favor or they don't, maybe they won't have a vote, they may have a fake consensus process. If it goes into force, if it gets accepted, it applies to every country, whether or not you voted for it. The treaty only applies to countries that say yes but this will apply to everyone and you used to have 18 months to get out, to reserve or reject but because of the U.S. amendments you now have only 10 months and they wanted you to have only six months. The U.S. tried to make it six months and then you're stuck but the other nations wouldn't agree and so they negotiated slowly month by month and they got it up to 10 months. That's interesting because in 10 months, see in six months, you would still have the Biden administration. In 10 months from May you'll actually have the next president which might be Biden but might be somebody else. So they didn't want the next president to be able to pull us out. Iurie Roșca
Yeah, anyhow we have to move quicker and to try to explain to as many as possible people what happens really at international level because for many of our citizens these kinds of discussions are a sort of abstractions, intellectual exercises without any concrete meaning for them personally. Meryl Nass
One issue to make it personal is do you want to have your own doctor or do you want Tedros to be your doctor? Another issue is do you have resolutions in Moldova? So a resolution is not a bill. You've been a parliamentarian. It's easy to pass and you can generate some publicity and get people talking and in the United States it doesn't require the bill to be heard more than once. It can even pass in many states with just one house, not both houses. So introducing a resolution saying my country will not go along or the people of my country do not want to go along, introducing that into your parliaments and trying to get something like that passed will generate a conversation. Iurie Roșca
It is not so easy to identify some political leaders who are able to understand this kind of messages and to accept Meryl Nass
to be a champion for that resolution. Our country doesn't have to be a leader. It can be anybody can bring this forward. Iurie Roșca
With our laws, no. With our constitution, only members of parliament can initiate this kind of debates. Meryl Nass
What about states or provinces? Iurie Roșca
We are so small country that our regional administrations are not so powerful, powerful and have not any strong leadership. Meryl Nass
But the problem is we don't have power. There's no legal power in this system. They fixed it. So nobody has power. All we have is our voices and we have to use them. And even if you use them at the level of the town, if the townspeople are forced to talk about it. If the state, if the county, we have counties that passed resolutions and in one case an actual law that says we are not going to allow lockdowns, we're not allowing masks, we're not allowing vaccine mandates and we're not allowing the WHO to give us orders. We have nine or more counties that have passed such resolutions. Iurie Roșca
Here it was very difficult to resist during pandemic. Meryl Nass
No, no, but this is after it's we're now post pandemic. So that's this is in response to the pandemic lockdowns. They've passed these. All I'm saying is it's you have to start the conversation somewhere. So you put it in front of the county commissioners, it gets in the local newspaper, they own the big newspapers, they own the TV, they own this, but they don't have every local government. Iurie Roșca
I agree with you. That's why our capacity to communicate from this social media is vital. My YouTube channel was destroyed, my Facebook account was destroyed and we moved to another platforms and we are using other instruments and we have many followers here in the Moldova and Romania. And you know, in Romania and Moldova, we have the lowest lowest lowest rates of vaccination. And I suppose that the very important part of this formal form of vaccination people bought it, just bought it, just paid to obtain this paper to be because in this small country, everybody knows everybody. And during this very special period of time, all people discussed, you know, some doctors who can help me because I came from Italy or from Russia and I need this paper to continue my work. And some medical doctors became very rich in a few months. Maybe it is not so bad. I have no any problem with this kind of bravery, let's say, but it is better than to kill people, yeah, to poison them. Meryl Nass
But you didn't have a messenger RNA vaccine, did you? Iurie Roșca
Here in Moldova, all types of western vaccines were present. In Russia, only Sputnik. But it is the same RNA vaccine, the same spike protein, the same poison, the same story. And this guy who is the chief of this institution like in the in the U.S. medical body, Institute Gamalei, he was rewarded by all state medal. By Mr. Putin several times. And he is champion. I did it. We have all pregnant women, all children starting with six months or five years and so on and so on. They are moving faster and faster in Russia too, like in the western part of the world and in my country, the same story. But another problem is that nobody knows nothing about these meetings inside of WHO. Who is coming as a representative of my country, minister or deputy minister and how clever, how professional. Meryl Nass
And there may be nobody from your country because it may all be the EU. Are you a member of the EU? Iurie Roșca
No, not for the moment, but the EU is trying to absorb us. To extend their markets. Meryl Nass
So they have a group, a working group for the health regulations and they have an INB for the treaty. And it's like 30 some countries have representatives on them. So not all. Iurie Roșca
We are associated member. Our members of parliament are part of different meetings and working groups, but not directly members of European Parliament. But Romania is part of, but all of them are very silent, very peaceful. Meryl Nass
Except for the group, what I forget, AUR party, is that what they're called? Iurie Roșca
AUR, it means gold in Romanian, a populist party. And this party was built by probably by secret services, but it seems that they, they are trying to emancipate themselves from some rulers who helped them to become popular party in Romania. We will see, but it is more than nothing in Romania. Meryl Nass
I mean, they're pretty serious. They, a bunch of them came over here two weeks ago to the CPAC. And they had the international COVID summit there, so I was in Romania, in November. Iurie Roșca
How about the influence of Mr. Kennedy as candidate and as public speaker, how vocal he is in the, in the US and how influential is his message? Meryl Nass
So he's completely censored by mainstream, almost completely, 99% censored. So his message doesn't get out beyond certain channels. He did, however, put out a one and a half minute video against the WHO about three weeks ago. Did you see the Belarus video that just came out a few days ago? So Belarus mainstream TV, put out a seven minute video against the WHO and they have clips from Bobby Kennedy. They have a clip of me also. It should be up on our, I don't do the website work. You know, I just say what I think needs to be on it, but other people on my team also add things. So I've asked that it be up. It's also on my substack. So I published it on my substack about, I just came back from Washington. So I went on Tuesday. So I must've published it probably on Monday. Something like that. It's quite impressive. It's an, and it's in Russian. So we've got some bad English subtitles on it, but I hope we have a translator who's improving it. Iurie Roșca
Maybe Belarus will be able to resist because, because of their strong leadership. We can criticize Lukashenko. Maybe he doesn't look well permanently, but he is a strong leader. We have special order. I have, I had this several visits in Belarus. And many years ago, I had a meeting with personally with Mr. Lukashenko. He is a strong guy. If he will decide because he, but his problem that he is, he depends a lot on Russia. And during pandemic, he tried to, he was brave. He resisted initially, but after that, he, he was not so vocal. Meryl Nass
I just put this in the chat. I just put a, so that's where you can find the video. Because I think it's videos. I mean, that's how we're going to reach people, especially the younger generation. Iurie Roșca
I will find it and I will share it with my friends here in Russia, in Armenia, in Georgia. We have a lot of connections. Meryl Nass
And, and, and Romanian, you know, get it translated into Romanian too. Iurie Roșca
It is very easy for us to translate from Russian and Romanian. It's very, for us, it's all people from this region are talking at the same level, Russian and Romanian. It was a great pleasure to discuss with you, Dr. Meryl Nass. And we are really proud and we are very happy to have these kinds of militants, these kinds of fighters, as you and let's cooperate. Let's expand our international network and become, let's try to be more, more powerful as public message. Meryl Nass
That's, that's what we want to do. And I just gave you my email, if you didn't have, in case you didn't have it in the chat. And if you could direct me to some of those BRICS documents, I would love it. I will add them to my talks also. And if you need any of my, you know, I have lots of PowerPoints with clips from the documents and clips from various globalist organizations, if you want that. Iurie Roșca
Let's stay in touch and let's cooperate and develop our international network. We have a lot of people who are very strongly motivated to do it. God bless you, Dr. Meryl and us. And it was a great pleasure for me. All the best and take care. 
